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Lishy · Dec 29, 2010, 07:11 PM // 19:11

In the "What if" scenario if Asuran Scan were to suddenly be nerfed, what would be some good builds without that skill?

So far I've cooked up this:

Any suggestions?

nightschroud · Dec 29, 2010, 07:27 PM // 19:27

uhm pretty much any other build i have , since i haven't even used asura scan expect for on my ranger wich has been collecting dust since 2 months after eotn came out -_-

asura scan isn't a must have skill ...

Lanier · Dec 29, 2010, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by nightschroud

uhm pretty much any other build i have , since i haven't even used asura scan expect for on my ranger wich has been collecting dust since 2 months after eotn came out -_-

asura scan isn't a must have skill ...

same here. I don't use EoTN PvE skills at all and my builds work just fine. Just about anything really would work.

Owik Gall · Dec 29, 2010, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Don't know why it's needed to prepare for an Asura Scan skill erase. First of all the skill isn't a staple for warriors, there are a bunch of builds that can do without. In fact, there aren't even a lot that have Asura Scan, if any. Besides, if Anet wasn't willing to erase the overly broken skills there's no way they'd erase anything else.

Gypsie Ettin · Dec 29, 2010, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Quivering Blade, like ehwut?

Why would an A-Scan nerf force us to go grab the worst elites possible?
Asuran Scan is just an addition if you want funny numbers, no major use really.

Xenomortis · Dec 29, 2010, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Take any build that uses Asuran Scan.
Replace Asuran Scan with something else.

I see no reason as to why your suggested build would be worthwhile over anything currently in use sans AScan.

reaper with no name · Dec 29, 2010, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Sadly, I must agree. As far as a thought experiment goes (which is what I believe this thread to be), there are far better candidate skills.

I vote we turn this into a "what would warriors do if all their elite skills and skill lines except for axe mastery were nerfed?" thread. Now that would provide some interesting stuff.

FoxBat · Dec 29, 2010, 10:00 PM // 22:00

They'd look like builds with asuran scan except you'd put something else in that slot, and perhaps lose a little emanage. Asuran scan is something you tack onto a good damage bar, it doesn't stop being good once scan is removed. And it surely looks nothing like what you posted.

Xsiriss · Dec 29, 2010, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Gypsie Ettin

Quivering Blade, like ehwut?

Why would an A-Scan nerf force us to go grab the worst elites possible?

Spoken from ignorance. It's basically the sword version of cleave, which is one of the BEST elites.

On topic, there are only a few builds that 'require' or use asura scan and I don't see why they'd nerf it any time soon.

LifeInfusion · Dec 29, 2010, 10:13 PM // 22:13

don't use 15 sword... run 14. You also don't have a cancel stance and sniper support is 10 energy on a 2 pip energy regen warrior.'

EDIT: also gash with no bleeding...

Rites · Dec 29, 2010, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

"what would warriors do if all their elite skills and skill lines except for axe mastery were nerfed?" thread. Now that would provide some interesting stuff.

hey i like axe warriors

as for the whole asuran scan thingy.... i don't use EOTN PvE skills so it wouldn't bother me at all if any or all got nerfed/deleted

edit: ok, my war uses i am the strongest, but it isn't a necessity, i will simply switch it for another skill with no real effort having to be put into it

**Marty Silverblade** · Dec 29, 2010, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

EDIT: also gash with no bleeding...

Bleeding is there... on a 15 second recharge with EVSS.

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Spoken from ignorance. It's basically the sword version of cleave, which is one of the BEST elites.

Not really. Warriors build around their elite: DSlash, 100B, Earth Shaker, WE, etc. No one runs Cleave because it doesn't provide any unique functionality that allows you to produce outstanding results. It's just some more damage (and some daze too, but meh). If Cleave (or QB, for that matter) is one of the best elites, show me how it outperforms any of DSlash, 100B, or WE. If it can't, then it doesn't fulful any meaningful role and could thus be considered useless.

LifeInfusion · Dec 29, 2010, 11:36 PM // 23:36

I'd rather drop 10 energy on something useful that a combo that requires PvE skills for deep wound and a mediocre +17 or so damage from Gash every 15 seconds. If you're going to use PvE skills just to get deep wound, might as well run Body Blow. 90 armor-reduced piercing damage with a 10% chance of instagib is like running a russian roulette build.

If you just want bleeding get Ear Bite I guess.

If I'm running sword it's either for 100B or D-Slash+SY!, Cripslash is a pvp type skill. Quivering Blade is high damage, yes, but you're better off just using Enraging charge/To the Limit! to get that initial adrenaline going and using higher adrenaline skills that don't require your elite slot.

Sword really doesn't have anything spectacular over Axe. Final Thrust isn't all that usable in PvE and cripple isn't that strong in PvE. Some things don't bleed either. Standing Slash is probably the only skills that stands out, since you get ~4 extra damage versus Executioner's strike for 2 less adrenaline.

**Marty Silverblade** · Dec 29, 2010, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Body Blow isn't a PvE skill... unless you're thinking of "Finish Him"?

LifeInfusion · Dec 29, 2010, 11:49 PM // 23:49

No I meant Body Blow for deep wound (and bigger damage), PvE skill for Cracked armor to trigger it (instead of using PvE skill for bleeding which doesn't work on some mobs). And actually Executioner's is +38 at 14 so scratch the comment about Standing Slash. The advantage of Standing Slash is 2 less attacks (1 if under FGJ) to get it back to usable after activation.

EDIT: Also, I don't see how Quivering Blade is better than spamming Power attack under WE.

Power attack under WE = +34-36 or so every 3 seconds on its own. You can also spam SY! + Whirlwind attack at the same time.

Quivering Blade is +38 or so every 3 seconds (assuming you are under FGJ!). You can try to spam whirlwind attack but every time you use Quivering Blade it takes 1 adrenaline (maybe workable with FGJ!). Daze on moving targets is really unwieldy.

Chrisworld · Dec 30, 2010, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by Gypsie Ettin

Quivering Blade, like ehwut?

Why would an A-Scan nerf force us to go grab the worst elites possible?
Asuran Scan is just an addition if you want funny numbers, no major use really.

Q Blade is just an attack skill with low adren, meaning low downtime. means more damage output for you, its a great elite when nothing else available. I wouldn't use it over Hundred blades though, but I used to use Q blade a lot.

Hugh Manatee · Dec 30, 2010, 02:16 AM // 02:16

If i don't take A-scan I take pain inverter or by ural's hammer. Drunk Master has been stapled to my bar for awhile now(i use it to time booze shots), as has save yourself(the easy button)

If I'm running 100 blades whirl has the last slot, if i'm on a hammer or axe i use scan or ural if I want something shout based(it also depends if I'm doing AoE or spiking a single target). If I have cap sigs or other signets(lightbringer, res or whatever) I put on like 2-3 at a time and use symbolic strike(+36 at 4a is fun). If I got a scythe AoHM with BUH and scan, make many big booms.

With a hammer and auspicious blow, I can pretty much run whatever I want, and A-scan with a hammer is pretty damn vicious.

Chthon · Dec 30, 2010, 05:53 AM // 05:53

Like Xeno said, same builds with a different PvE skill in that slot. Brawling Headbutt would probably win out in many cases.

I Hate Chips · Dec 30, 2010, 11:00 PM // 23:00

Asuran scan is surely a great skill but IF (i have actually no idea why it would be nerfed) it would be nerfed, just swap it with an other utility-skill in ur existing build.

Bobby2 · Dec 31, 2010, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Spoken from ignorance. It's basically the sword version of cleave, which is one of the BEST elites.

WE + Power Attack spam says hi.